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Heather Lynn Griffin said in August 11th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

Good stuff. Thanks for posting.

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Creighton+ said in August 12th, 2009 at 7:06 am

Yes, well done.

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Grandmother said in August 12th, 2009 at 7:39 am

Lately I have been deeply concerned by the possibility of “isolation”. It should be noted that we are surrounded by our REC brethern with whom we were beginning to have very cordial relations until the death of +West, and +Salmon’s retirement.

Some of us are even now being isolated from +Duncan, +Iker, and all the ACNA brothers and sisters. I remember being told that we should not pray for “Robert our Moderator” because he was not even in the same church!

No one seems to consider that in three years, at the next convention, the Title IV Disciplinary Canons will allow “deposition’ for so many, many things which are NOT “mortal sins” now.

It seems to this layperson, old as I am, that we are perhaps getting ready to crawl into our “catacomb” and hibernate.

Grandmother in SC

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Steve Hartman said in August 12th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

If these guys can preach as well as they can write, it would be worth the airfare to SC just to hear them. They have a lot to offer the ACNA.

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Danny said in August 12th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

Steve,
I had the opportunity to hear Rob Sturdy preach several months ago while attending a conference in the redneck riviera. He is indeed a fabulous Gospel preacher.

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Danny said in August 12th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

“He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world” (Eph 1.1-14) preached by Rob Sturdy on 7-12-09

Good grief! Is our diocese getting cozy with the Reformation and the Doctrines of Grace? No one who wants to keep the boat steady would preach that sermon with a ten foot pole.

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joe said in August 12th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

“The first thing we would note is that while the individuals themselves are, for the most part trained theologians and men and women of great theological depth and Biblical faithfulness they have failed to publicly reflect with any great depth on the situations we are now presented with.”

Maybe they want to save their more specific public reflections on this trying situation until after hearing what the Bishop and Standing Committee have to say about it.

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Rob Sturdy said in August 12th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

Joe,

Robust Biblical and theological reflection has not been a hallmark of diocesan activity since 2003. We are not lamenting a recent occurrence but rather a trend.

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joe said in August 12th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

Rob,

If I misread you I apologize. But your paragraph did begin by referring to events within the past few months ending with GenCon 09 which made it seem as if your lament referred to a more recent failure, more specifically over the past few weeks.

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Rob Sturdy said in August 12th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

No worries. Nothing to apologize for! Just a simple clarification brother. No worries.

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Danny said in August 13th, 2009 at 8:47 am

Rob,
Ecclesiology, apology, come on Rob. “Ask me how I know He lives, He lives within my heart.” Don’t weigh me down with big words and corvette language. Just give me a jesus who can solve my problems…not the Jesus who seems to create division in the world and unity in the invisible church.