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D. Philip Veitch said in October 12th, 2009 at 1:46 am

More good questions in desperate need of answers.

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Sallyw said in October 12th, 2009 at 6:31 am

It seems like conflict aversion is a major tenant of life in our culture. Discipline as a whole is in decline – ask any teacher! Given the way culture is trickling (pouring) into the church, is it any wonder that discipline is avoided in the church as well?

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Craig said in October 12th, 2009 at 7:00 am

Church discipline is made “easier” when expectations are clearly stated and proactively followed up. Naturally this applies to liberal churches or churches of other stripes where the Word is not clearly taught and applied. It also applies to evangelical churches – who with all good intentions focus on evangelism by being seeker sensitive, culture current and casting broad net. Seeker sensitivity, culture currentness and casting a broad net are helpful things. However, often the consequence is that those groups overreach in making the Christian message palatable. In so doing, they shift their focus away from discipleship. The discipleship that does exist is delegated to small group leaders who often are not effectively equipped for the task. Groups either become in grown or quickly form and disband. Therefore, when individuals “stray” the task of correction becomes much more difficult and then, of course, avoided. Much like weeding your garden daily, it is more effective to pull a weed at time, rather than waiting until it is overgrown. This spoken from a guy who routinely lets his “garden” become overgrown!

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StepTom said in October 12th, 2009 at 7:01 am

Another question: Is it too late to take a stand for the faith by telling Ms. Schori, et al to leave? I suppose we have to wait for Archbishop Williams to make up his mind as to whether or not scripture is relevant, his job description includes discipline, or even that Jesus is Lord. The “two Track” model of Anglicanism he has proposed has removed any doubt as to his uncertainty (at best – slithery activism at worst) over these issues.

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StepTom said in October 12th, 2009 at 7:15 am

Good points Craig. Nothing wrong with speaking the Good News in a language/format that current culture can understand. Would probably have stayed on the rails a little better had the problem of biblical illiteracy been addressed more effectively by some of us. We left too much up to the Clergy as we in the laity got lost in the excitement of it all. By doing so, we had a bug hand in nudging them into academic enclaves that placed more emphasis on questions than scriptural answers in some quarters.

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StepTom said in October 12th, 2009 at 7:21 am

“BUG” hand??? Should be “big hand”. Sorry.

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Andrew E. said in October 12th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

Step, I thought I had learned a new phrase, “bug hang” – something that assists one to error.

Maybe I’ll start it as a trend with all credit to you.