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Jessie R said in November 4th, 2009 at 10:44 am

I have a lot more reading and meditating to do but something came up today and I just cannot seem to reconcile it…

I read a devotional today and then read what you quoted from Romans 1

We are made in the image of God which is all powerful, all knowing and all loving. Anger is an emotion not an action right? WE call it justified when we act in anger as long as we decide we are in the right, but I’m beginning to be aware that acting in anger is never right, that withdrawing is the answer. So maybe the provokation of anger in God never cause him to strike out but instead to withdraw and let us experience our own right idea. To give us what we wanted to show us that acting in anger or retaliation is NEVER right. Instead we’re allowed to experience the natural loving consequence. In other words, where was the love given and provided in the event, anyone outside of Gods love experienced the consequence of being outside of the realm of God?

I’m having a hard time with the anger, jealousy and wrath being God’s idea. I am more inclined (at the moment, and I’m asking here for some help) to believe that if I were to really delve into the Truth, I’d find that God just didn’t participate in the fight allowing us to experience natural consequence to anger, judgement, jealousy and rage.

It’s easy to read scripture and believe that God is Wrath and Fury when you read it from the human perspective … but when you read it from God’s perspective, he’s not angry at all, he just moves on with love and allows us to experience natural consequence of our unloving human nature in favor of giving those who ask his will be done unending Grace.

Is the root word of wrath a meaning that is derived from writhe? I can think of what it feels like to be a parent trying to sit and wait for your kid to come back as you let them out into the world, in love, and worry as they experience their human knowledge and human nature and ideas clashing up against your true loving nature… to writhe as you allow them to go, knowing that you have given them as much love as you can and wanting them to know more of you and what you’ve tried to teach them. To take the step back and just let them experience their own consequence of moving out of the true Grace and Power of your kingdom?

We think intense emotion is a cause of action, when really it seems as I consider it, that it’s natural cause should be withdraw and pray???

So is the cause of sin that God strikes out…or withdraws from you as you are sinning. It seems that if I act in retaliation, in discord … I’m out of the Rhythm and I experience the resulting disharmony. The minute I turn back I begin to experience the harmony and Grace again?

My brain hurts. But my heart just seems to be a little more open to the idea that God is always here ALWAYS in Grace and Love, that all things are for the purpose of Greater Love, Greater Forgiveness…

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Kim said in November 4th, 2009 at 11:16 am

Good questions, Jessie. And, having said that, I’d rather stay on topic – the post that Pastor Steve posted addressed the topic of thanksgiving, contentment and gratitude. Those, too, are challenging attitudes to cultivate, for me anyway.

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Steve said in November 4th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

Jessie, I’d be willing to look at the issues you raise in a future posting. They’re good thoughts and it’s no wonder your brain hurts.

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Jeannette Krebs said in November 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

Hey Steve: We are a couple of old folks and
wonder if it would be ok not to shake hands during
greeting time of “pass the peace”. There are
folks that come to church sick and to us,a flue
illness could be devastating!
Thankyou; what do you think?
Ron and Jeannette Krebs

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Steve said in November 4th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

Hello Jeannette. It’d be fine if you simply gave a polite nod, a wink or the peace sign.
Also, on a different note, did you notice St. Andrew’s has placed handsanitizers various walls throughout the church? Hopefully, these will help keep folks healthy.

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Andrew E. said in November 4th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

Jessie,

my head just hurts reading your post…

good thought-provoking stuff though

God Bless

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Shawn Robinson said in November 5th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

My brain hurts from listening to Jessie. As for worry about spreading dis-ease by shaking hands, I have learned that worry is low-grade atheism and a way of praying bad circumstances into existance…but I still use the hand sanitizer “LOL”

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Craig said in November 5th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

Here’s a thought.

Sin is completely contrary to God’s nature so of course He experiences wrath (or anger) at our sin. You could argue that at times God withdraws His presence from us and therefore lets us struggle with the natural consequences of our sin. Yet because He is sovereign, He is always present and always engaged. He hates sin (shows His wrath) but also earnestly desires an intimate relationship with us. He sent Jesus to die for us (did He “writhe” on the cross for us?). Through His Holy Spirit, He calls us, beckons us into that intimate relationship with Him. While He chooses us, we do have a choice about how we will let Him control our lives. When we say “yes”, good things happen.

Now THAT’S something to be thankful for!

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Andrew E. said in November 7th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

amen craig

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BRF said in November 13th, 2009 at 11:22 am

The picture you included hung in my grandparents home. I’m homesick for a time and a place that no longer exists. As a boy visiting their simple, modest (although it didn’t seem that way at the time) home is the one tangible memory of being happy and content. I’ve “succeeded” my every measurable standard and the contentment you wrote about eludes me. I’m not even sure what to say at this point. The painting, though, evokes strong memories and a wish that my life looked different. Thanks for your blog.

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