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KimL said in October 28th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

Wow. Pretty persuasive arguments!

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Mark said in October 28th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

Whoa! I thought I was!

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Craig said in October 29th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

This reminds me of a Steve Martin comedy special on TV several years ago. There was one sketch about the probability of dinosaurs having built Stonehenge. One of the lines was, “There, you see, taken from this angle you can see how dinosaurs could have built Stonehenge.”

I have difficulty with seriously engaging in this kind of academic speculation. This discussion is powerful evidence of why I am neither scholar or theologian (but often fantasize that I am!)

To me, the author does not effectively address John’s apparent self-description in John 13:23. All of the disciples are together. Peter directly addresses our beloved disciple. That beloved disciple is physically resting on Jesus and self identifies. Lazarus is never mentioned anywhere as a disciple. The context just doesn’t fit.

The author obliquely addresses John 21:20 and 21:24. In both verses, Peter, John and Jesus are in one another’s presence at that moment (irrespective of when our bestseller hit the market …..). It is hard to shoe horn Lazarus into this setting.

Finally, why are the bulk of evangelical scholars convinced that John (Zebedee) is the author of John while making no mention of Lazarus?

Is Ben leading a team of dinosaurs to Stonehenge? It appears that all of his logic is “backdoor” or “indirect” logic. I am sure that I am overlooking something. I would appreciate being challenged.

The more suspicious side of me wonders if this is not an innocent attempt to crack open the door which then has the effect of challenging the authority of Scripture.

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randygmuller said in October 30th, 2009 at 1:54 am

Interesting speculation, but it seems plainly false when the various verses that contain the description are read, plus the list of apostles after the death and resurrection of Jesus is enumerated in Acts 1:13. “The disciple whom Jesus loved” would seem necessarily to be either Peter, James or John, and Peter and James are ruled out by the text.

“The disciple whom Jesus loved” is also close to both Jesus and Peter.

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