All Saints Episcopal Church files motion with SCOTUS to withdraw the petition for Cert. This is very good news for the Diocese of South Carolina and every parish in the Diocese – as well as beyond.
This is God at work and a HUGE answer to prayer! Thank you Jesus!
Just Curious said in March 25th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
How will this impact your diocesean convention tomorrow? Is St. Andrews going? Will your parish have a vote since your discernment process has concluded with your leaving?
Tami said in March 25th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Steve (or any knowledgeable party reading), do you take this to mean that the TEC cannot file a property suit against any departing parish in SC unless the previous SCofSC ruling is challenged and overturned by the SCOTUS?
Mark said in March 25th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Thumbs up!
Carolh9249 said in March 26th, 2010 at 8:20 am
I am in total agreement, Rev. Steve. Thanks be to God and Alleluia! What great news for all of us.
JustCurious, FYI, St. Andrews, Mt. Pleasant is still a parish in the Diocese of SC.
Tami,
Please read the Anglican Curmudgeon. Here is the latest post over at the Anglican Curmudgeon who has been analyzing this lawsuit for years.
In brief I will summarize what I understand.
1) The withdrawal of the petition for review by SCOTUS by All Saints Episcopal Church means that there WON’T be a review by the SCOTUS. Ever! Once the petition has been withdrawn and the Clerk of the SCOTUS has filed the dismissal, that is apermanent decision and can not to be brought up again, ever!
2) The chances of the SC Supreme Court ruling being overturned by the SCOTUS is slim to NONE as SCOTUS does not deal with property cases. As I understand (from attorney friends) SCOTUS only hears civil right cases and federal cases. The chances of any of the current TECUSA lawsuits being heard by the Supreme COurt is still slim to none.
3) All the above means that as of the date that the dismissal is filed with the SCOTUS, The dreaded Denis Canon is officially dead in South Carolina ! THANKS BE TO GOD!!!
Tami said in March 26th, 2010 at 8:59 am
Thank you, Carol. I saw the Curmudgeon’s post after I had posted this – while also getting a different opinion from another poster at Stand Firm. I don’t know the credentials of the SF poster, but know I’d put more credence in the Curmudgeon’s insight over most I’d hear from. My fear was that they (TEC) could still bring up frivolous lawsuits that would require parishes to expend funds just to get as far as a judge to throw it out based on the SC Supreme Court ruling and throw it out. A friend had to spend $30,000 just to get to the “throw it out of court” stage on a property lawsuit. Wish this was equally over for all parishes wishing to depart in all states! Prayers go up . . .
Carolh9249 said in March 26th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Your welcome. News travels fast and I had seen posts not only from the Curmudgeon but local blogs had letters,etc about the settlement between the two parishes. The Curmudgeon is definitely one of the best when it come to analysis of the current TECUSA lawsuits,etc.
Spend 30K just to get the case thrown out?? wowsie. I had no idea! I guess TECUSA could still sue parishes and they would have to defend themselves. Considering the number of pending lawsuits and the awful financial situation of TECUSA, I would hope someone at 815 would have enough sense to realize that a lawsuit here in SC would really be a waste of money!!
Yes, it would be great thing if the Denis Canon were exposed for the fraud it really is and stomped on by many state supreme courts not just SC’s supreme court.
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This is God at work and a HUGE answer to prayer! Thank you Jesus!
How will this impact your diocesean convention tomorrow? Is St. Andrews going? Will your parish have a vote since your discernment process has concluded with your leaving?
Steve (or any knowledgeable party reading), do you take this to mean that the TEC cannot file a property suit against any departing parish in SC unless the previous SCofSC ruling is challenged and overturned by the SCOTUS?
Thumbs up!
I am in total agreement, Rev. Steve. Thanks be to God and Alleluia! What great news for all of us.
JustCurious, FYI, St. Andrews, Mt. Pleasant is still a parish in the Diocese of SC.
Tami,
Please read the Anglican Curmudgeon. Here is the latest post over at the Anglican Curmudgeon who has been analyzing this lawsuit for years.
http://accurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2010/03/spirit-of-st-paul-alive-and-well-in-s.html. Hopefully that will you get to the post. If not, this is his most recent post so you can go to accurmudgeon.blogspot.com.
In brief I will summarize what I understand.
1) The withdrawal of the petition for review by SCOTUS by All Saints Episcopal Church means that there WON’T be a review by the SCOTUS. Ever! Once the petition has been withdrawn and the Clerk of the SCOTUS has filed the dismissal, that is apermanent decision and can not to be brought up again, ever!
2) The chances of the SC Supreme Court ruling being overturned by the SCOTUS is slim to NONE as SCOTUS does not deal with property cases. As I understand (from attorney friends) SCOTUS only hears civil right cases and federal cases. The chances of any of the current TECUSA lawsuits being heard by the Supreme COurt is still slim to none.
3) All the above means that as of the date that the dismissal is filed with the SCOTUS, The dreaded Denis Canon is officially dead in South Carolina ! THANKS BE TO GOD!!!
Thank you, Carol. I saw the Curmudgeon’s post after I had posted this – while also getting a different opinion from another poster at Stand Firm. I don’t know the credentials of the SF poster, but know I’d put more credence in the Curmudgeon’s insight over most I’d hear from. My fear was that they (TEC) could still bring up frivolous lawsuits that would require parishes to expend funds just to get as far as a judge to throw it out based on the SC Supreme Court ruling and throw it out. A friend had to spend $30,000 just to get to the “throw it out of court” stage on a property lawsuit. Wish this was equally over for all parishes wishing to depart in all states! Prayers go up . . .
Your welcome. News travels fast and I had seen posts not only from the Curmudgeon but local blogs had letters,etc about the settlement between the two parishes. The Curmudgeon is definitely one of the best when it come to analysis of the current TECUSA lawsuits,etc.
Spend 30K just to get the case thrown out?? wowsie. I had no idea! I guess TECUSA could still sue parishes and they would have to defend themselves. Considering the number of pending lawsuits and the awful financial situation of TECUSA, I would hope someone at 815 would have enough sense to realize that a lawsuit here in SC would really be a waste of money!!
Yes, it would be great thing if the Denis Canon were exposed for the fraud it really is and stomped on by many state supreme courts not just SC’s supreme court.
I agree…. Prayers go up!!