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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah...all music to my ears.  I went to a church here in town where the pastor drove his Harley through the church service to make a point.  I don&#039;t remember what that moralistic, therapuetic 3 step method was(probably because I tried it and failed miserably), but I do remember how dark toenail the Harley was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah&#8230;all music to my ears.  I went to a church here in town where the pastor drove his Harley through the church service to make a point.  I don&#8217;t remember what that moralistic, therapuetic 3 step method was(probably because I tried it and failed miserably), but I do remember how dark toenail the Harley was.</p>
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		<title>By: jessie</title>
		<link>http://treadinggrain.com/2010/enough-of-me-already/comment-page-1/#comment-1944</link>
		<dc:creator>jessie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like what John said, you&#039;re job is to exposit.  You, through your knowledge and experience, present the ideas and reasoning of the Living Word.  Were that we all of the understanding that our lives were given to exposit God&#039;s Word and Grace.

I do remember your personal stories.  And in contemplation I gotta say, I think about God&#039;s grace every time I think of one of your stories. You relate your experience and encourage me to read the bible and pray and contemplate God&#039;s truth too... and I actually do that too, imperfectly but I do read and pray and contemplate the truth of the words and in your experiences as well as my own.  

The example that comes to mind is your cousin and the collie.

A learned God-fearing man told your cousin to sit in contemplation of God&#039;s truth.  I&#039;m sure you cousin was exposed to God&#039;s truth by default of the family and the experience in church, a God-fearing family, church, etc... He was encouraged not to show his face again until God speaks, that takes a heck of a lot of courage and trust from your Uncle, how did he know that the little boy would do what he said? How could he be sure God would speak?  

The whole crowd was humbled and disarmed by a simple answer that brought on laughter and an inability to fight anymore.  Who can stand up to God&#039;s truth?

&quot;Forgive them father, for they know not what they do.&quot; 

Years later you tell the story of how you and a whole crowd ran to be onlookers to another person&#039;s punishment and you were a witness to Grace instead.  You tell the story to illustrate how prayer works, but I hear much much more.

In just that story alone I see the illustration of Christ&#039;s death on the cross and what it means for us.  I felt the condemnation of adults and authorities who are living by the laws and are flawed and incapable of keeping others or themselves in line just by trying hard, I see crowds of witnesses lined up to see justice done... almost willing a good show for their own entertainment (we&#039;re very excited by someone else&#039;s humbling experience aren&#039;t we, somehow we don&#039;t feel so bad anymore about our own experiences when we hear someone else is gonna get it. Human&#039;s are a sinful lot and we look for ways to feel better about our own sinful nature.)   

I saw someone forced by circumstance and authority to submit, and in contemplation of God, I saw the miracle of God showing up and of Gods love shared.

Your cousin received an answer so profound that it disarmed not only earthly authorities, but a whole crowd of witnesses who were there to watch his performance in the suffering.

We all have a casual relationship with the Truth don&#039;t we? Different casualties for each of us, but none of us are without sin that causes casualty are we?  After all your cousin&#039;s experience with &quot;casual truth&quot; didn&#039;t stop you from blaming spilled red soda on an innocent kid... but it reminds you how blessed you are to have the same heavenly father who loves you through others surpassing your best attempt to live in perfect truth and love yourself.

Christ stepped in and took the death blow, showing us a life beyond our human demise. He provided the miracle, the answer that disarmed the law and a crowd of people who were there to see justice done.  

I may have gotten it completely wrong, but it&#039;s what I saw in the experience.

I saw the truth of Corinthians 13: 8-13
I saw the truth of Matthew 5
I saw the truth of Matthew 6 (especially Matt 6: 5-6)

Couple of stories, lots of learning about myself and my inability to live without Christ through your honest relation of sin   at the head of the table. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like what John said, you&#8217;re job is to exposit.  You, through your knowledge and experience, present the ideas and reasoning of the Living Word.  Were that we all of the understanding that our lives were given to exposit God&#8217;s Word and Grace.</p>
<p>I do remember your personal stories.  And in contemplation I gotta say, I think about God&#8217;s grace every time I think of one of your stories. You relate your experience and encourage me to read the bible and pray and contemplate God&#8217;s truth too&#8230; and I actually do that too, imperfectly but I do read and pray and contemplate the truth of the words and in your experiences as well as my own.  </p>
<p>The example that comes to mind is your cousin and the collie.</p>
<p>A learned God-fearing man told your cousin to sit in contemplation of God&#8217;s truth.  I&#8217;m sure you cousin was exposed to God&#8217;s truth by default of the family and the experience in church, a God-fearing family, church, etc&#8230; He was encouraged not to show his face again until God speaks, that takes a heck of a lot of courage and trust from your Uncle, how did he know that the little boy would do what he said? How could he be sure God would speak?  </p>
<p>The whole crowd was humbled and disarmed by a simple answer that brought on laughter and an inability to fight anymore.  Who can stand up to God&#8217;s truth?</p>
<p>&#8220;Forgive them father, for they know not what they do.&#8221; </p>
<p>Years later you tell the story of how you and a whole crowd ran to be onlookers to another person&#8217;s punishment and you were a witness to Grace instead.  You tell the story to illustrate how prayer works, but I hear much much more.</p>
<p>In just that story alone I see the illustration of Christ&#8217;s death on the cross and what it means for us.  I felt the condemnation of adults and authorities who are living by the laws and are flawed and incapable of keeping others or themselves in line just by trying hard, I see crowds of witnesses lined up to see justice done&#8230; almost willing a good show for their own entertainment (we&#8217;re very excited by someone else&#8217;s humbling experience aren&#8217;t we, somehow we don&#8217;t feel so bad anymore about our own experiences when we hear someone else is gonna get it. Human&#8217;s are a sinful lot and we look for ways to feel better about our own sinful nature.)   </p>
<p>I saw someone forced by circumstance and authority to submit, and in contemplation of God, I saw the miracle of God showing up and of Gods love shared.</p>
<p>Your cousin received an answer so profound that it disarmed not only earthly authorities, but a whole crowd of witnesses who were there to watch his performance in the suffering.</p>
<p>We all have a casual relationship with the Truth don&#8217;t we? Different casualties for each of us, but none of us are without sin that causes casualty are we?  After all your cousin&#8217;s experience with &#8220;casual truth&#8221; didn&#8217;t stop you from blaming spilled red soda on an innocent kid&#8230; but it reminds you how blessed you are to have the same heavenly father who loves you through others surpassing your best attempt to live in perfect truth and love yourself.</p>
<p>Christ stepped in and took the death blow, showing us a life beyond our human demise. He provided the miracle, the answer that disarmed the law and a crowd of people who were there to see justice done.  </p>
<p>I may have gotten it completely wrong, but it&#8217;s what I saw in the experience.</p>
<p>I saw the truth of Corinthians 13: 8-13<br />
I saw the truth of Matthew 5<br />
I saw the truth of Matthew 6 (especially Matt 6: 5-6)</p>
<p>Couple of stories, lots of learning about myself and my inability to live without Christ through your honest relation of sin   at the head of the table. <img src='http://treadinggrain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://treadinggrain.com/2010/enough-of-me-already/comment-page-1/#comment-1935</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, John.</description>
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		<title>By: John Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love our church and it&#039;s leadership. No statements are intended as criticism. Having said that, no sermon illustration is as powerful as the Spirit and all of them are worthless if not a tool in His hands. What is God&#039;s time honored tool for reaching his people?  If the word of God doesn&#039;t grab you, if thus saith the Lord does not fix your attention then ....  Exposite the word, that is what the pulpit is for.  We all want our pastors to be people but when that robe is on or they are up there it&#039;s time to speak as the messenger of the Most High God not as Bob your neighbor.  Perhaps when a church is too large to know the pastor (and that he is human) we have exchanged holy time for meet and greet time. 

I&#039;ll end by asking who has heard about Calvin beeing run out of town?  When he returned he started back at the very chapter and verse he left off at. That&#039;s not a commitment to boredom but rather a guard against letting personality shape the preaching rather than vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love our church and it&#8217;s leadership. No statements are intended as criticism. Having said that, no sermon illustration is as powerful as the Spirit and all of them are worthless if not a tool in His hands. What is God&#8217;s time honored tool for reaching his people?  If the word of God doesn&#8217;t grab you, if thus saith the Lord does not fix your attention then &#8230;.  Exposite the word, that is what the pulpit is for.  We all want our pastors to be people but when that robe is on or they are up there it&#8217;s time to speak as the messenger of the Most High God not as Bob your neighbor.  Perhaps when a church is too large to know the pastor (and that he is human) we have exchanged holy time for meet and greet time. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll end by asking who has heard about Calvin beeing run out of town?  When he returned he started back at the very chapter and verse he left off at. That&#8217;s not a commitment to boredom but rather a guard against letting personality shape the preaching rather than vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Yale</title>
		<link>http://treadinggrain.com/2010/enough-of-me-already/comment-page-1/#comment-1932</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Yale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An important message with anyone charged with the task of preaching.  Although, it does beg the question of what we are to be doing in preaching.  I offer for consideration the following link to a post by David Fitch:

http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/if-i-just-preach-a-good-sermon-they-will-come-three-dying-myths-of-christendom-about-preaching/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An important message with anyone charged with the task of preaching.  Although, it does beg the question of what we are to be doing in preaching.  I offer for consideration the following link to a post by David Fitch:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/if-i-just-preach-a-good-sermon-they-will-come-three-dying-myths-of-christendom-about-preaching/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/if-i-just-preach-a-good-sermon-they-will-come-three-dying-myths-of-christendom-about-preaching/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://treadinggrain.com/2010/enough-of-me-already/comment-page-1/#comment-1931</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought about this before, but you and the author of this article are right. Thanks for the insight and for keeping church all about Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought about this before, but you and the author of this article are right. Thanks for the insight and for keeping church all about Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen! I watched the sermon I gave up at Trinity a couple of months ago and was amazed at how hilarious it was -- and how few of the illustrations actually drove the point home. It is so easy as a preacher to rely on the &quot;tricks&quot; you pick up -- may God have mercy on this preacher... and all preachers of His word!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen! I watched the sermon I gave up at Trinity a couple of months ago and was amazed at how hilarious it was &#8212; and how few of the illustrations actually drove the point home. It is so easy as a preacher to rely on the &#8220;tricks&#8221; you pick up &#8212; may God have mercy on this preacher&#8230; and all preachers of His word!!</p>
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