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Suzy said in July 26th, 2010 at 6:52 am

Interestingly, I have found Bishop Allison’s assessment to be true when I talk with northamericans about pornography. One man, a church leader, said in a slightly deprecatory manner, “Oh, Suzy, there are many definitions of pornography.” !!!!! No wonder children are being snatched from Honduran (and other Two-Thirds World) streets for this multibillion dollar horror! So many people are addicted to pornography that they feel it is no longer necessary to feel guilty about it. Pornography is the #1 cause of human trafficking. Is the Church being vocal enough about pornography? Obviously not. We need to restore guilt in regards to this sin — yes, SIN — for the sake of the victims, as well as for the sake of the addicted. Thank You, Bishop Allison, for reminding us that without conviction of sin, GUILT, there is no true forgiveness. I pray that the Church will rise up mightily against pornography and human trafficking.

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Gavin said in July 26th, 2010 at 8:54 am

Good article.

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Droopy Dog said in July 26th, 2010 at 9:21 am

Suzy,

I was with you until the end of your comment. I find what you say about restoring guilt to be troubling, though. “We need to restore guilt…” Really?

My experience has been that people suffering from addictions are pretty miserable as it is. Making anyone feel guilty is not really our job. Pointing them to freedom through Jesus Christ is. That I can do (or at least, by the grace of God and the power of his Holy Spirit, I can).

Even +Fitz Allison says, “With the loss of forgiveness guilt becomes unbearable, its meaning reduced to something merely neurotic that must be denied.” We actually supress guilt because we cannot believe the free gift of forgiveness that is offered to us! It’s still there, we just think we can control it. Good luck with that.

I admire your passion and agree that you correctly identify this as a sin, but it is the Holy Spirit that convicts us of our sin and the unmerited grace of Jesus on the cross that frees us. Making people feel guilty (or more guilty) becomes a slippery slope towards being judgemental, something the Church has heard time and time again. And, frankly, prevents it from bringing people into the Family.

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Danny said in July 26th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

Droop,
We are always told by the neo-calvincharismatic crowd that we are the instruments of the Holy Spirit. Does not the Spirit convict with healthy guilt by those around us who love us enough to point out our addictions? I yearn for, but have few close friends who love me enough to pop me in the head every once in a while.

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Droopy Dog said in July 26th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

Yes, Danny. I agree. I suppose I just see a difference in accountability and “restoring guilt.” Some of the best smacks in the head I have received have still be done with great love and less guilt trips.

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Suzy said in July 27th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

Without guilt, there is little attraction to confession. Without confession, there is little (or no) opportunity for restoration. You can call it guilt, or you can call it conviction of sin, but whatever you call it, you have to CALL IT, or you don’t get to the next step. If you truly point someone to Christ, then the Cross comes before the Resurrection. Guilt isn’t for going on trips, and the best kind of love leads us to wholeness. So with great Christlike love, i say to you, Droop: “Don’t skip that important step of letting Christ’s light shine into the darkness.” Friends?

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Droopy Dog said in July 28th, 2010 at 8:11 am

Friends, Suzy. No questions there. And I like how you broke it down. You can understand my hesitation with the idea of people reminding people to feel guilty? As Danny correctly pointed out, there is a significant need for Christian accountability. I wonder, though, how many people have gotten burned by the Church because they feel shamed into feeling guilty.

And I completely agree that the Cross is central. You cannot skip from sin to freedom without the Blood of the Lamb.

Perhaps the word we are looking for is repentance, which would of course include an identification/feeling of guilt that what we have done is wrong, but also a movement towards the light, leaving our old ways behind.

Either that, or I am being way too sensitive about this. :)

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Suzy said in July 28th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

I had you on my mind this morning, D.D., primarily because of your username. You know what — a redeemed and sanctified child of God really should not call himself “Droopy Dog.” What we name ourselves affects our sense of being, our true identity. Your true identity is VERY FAR what what your username suggests. You should be calling yourself something like “Braveheart” or “Captain Courageous” or “Holy Prince”!! You will never be completely free of shame until you picture yourself as GOD does, so use your holy imagination and come up with a name which belongs to an heir of the Kingdom of Christ! Ditch the droopies, and let dogs be dogs; we are a holy priesthood, a chosen people, beloved of GOD. Rejoice!

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Droopy Dog said in July 28th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

I think you may misunderstand why I have that username. He’s my favorite cartoon, that’s all. My real name is Sir-Smiles-a-Lot. :)

Seriously though, thank you for the encouragement. And believe me when I say this, I rejoice every day that I am a chosen child of God.

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Suzy said in July 29th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

I love Sir Smiles-a-Lot! What a great name. I guess I missed that cartoon (Droopy Dog). Keep rejoicing!