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swallace said in April 27th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

So, does Wright believe justification and sanctification to be the same thing – and how is this different from the pre-reformation church? Or am I missing the point entirely – which, I’m sad to say, is highly likely….

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Steve said in April 27th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

Sally, it is a complicated issue. Here are two very good articles which summarize nicely the distinctions:

The Justification Debate: A Primer

And,

Not an Academic Question

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Droopy Dog said in April 27th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

I don’t mean to stir the pot (or maybe I do), but it just seems to me that N.T. Wright just likes to disagree with things for the sake of disagreeing. I say that without having read the article (which I will do).

I would never suggest that we blindly accept anything. It should always be tested thoroughly. But really, justification? I thought that was pretty straighforward post-Reformation. Luther has got to be steamed. :)

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Danny said in April 27th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

If you are interested in knowing more about the “New Perspective on Paul” or the “Federal Vision”, Kim Riddlebarger has a series of lectures that deals fairly with NT Wright, Doug Wilson and others.

http://www.christreformed.org/mp3s-and-real-audio-of-academy/

You’ll see quite a bit in there about NT Wright. After listening I don’t think Doug Wilson is as far off on justification as NT Wright. And, no Steve I didn’t listen to them all in one night!

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Tami said in April 28th, 2010 at 11:07 am

This is an area where I love to get committed Christians into discussion – not so much from the standpoint of what is required for salvation, but whether good works are what shows those who call themselves Christians to actually be just that. I love the discussion NOT because I want to prove a particular point, but to hear so many different viewpoints from those in various parts of their journey with Christ. There is a very fine line between saying that good works are “required” for salvation and saying that good works are the natural outcome of one who truly accepts Christ.